Probleme pe undernet

[arcade]

Astazi din cate am inteles au fost ceva probleme pe undernet, dupa cum urmeaza:

Start of #Randall-News buffer: Sun Nov 13 18:02:25 2005
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[17:27:22] <Nick2> Randall: what was the main reason for doing this ? Wink
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[17:27:46] <Randall> CService registering "town name" channels in Romania.
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[17:27:49] <Nick4> sup
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[17:27:55] <Randall> That start a lot of conflicts
[17:27:57] <Nick5> Smile
[17:28:21] <Nick1> that's somehow $true, a lot of conflicts all over the years.
[17:28:32] <Nick1> but still, isn't a more personal reason ?
[17:28:34] <Nick3> Randall, what sort of conflicts?
[17:28:35] <Nick2> Randall: I see, so you didn't plan to touch anything else than cservice related and
those channels ? For example, other help channels /
[17:28:44] <Randall> No
[17:28:57] <Randall> What I did today was
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[17:29:06] <Randall> Just adding a lot of usernames to *
[17:29:15] <Randall> They did whatever they wished then...
[17:29:23] * Parts: Cleaner (cleaner@do-it-for-frodo.at.sublimesp.net)
[17:29:32] <Randall> And also retrieved a lot of information from CService's web interface.
[17:29:37] <Randall> I did NOT purge any channels...
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[17:29:47] <Nick4> the usernames that you added, were they the usernames of your friends? did they
know about what you were planning on doing?
[17:29:48] <Randall> Or changed emails for usernames with 500 accesses.
[17:29:57] <Nick3> Ah. So, you did not cause X to split?
[17:29:58] <Randall> Some of them, yes.
[17:30:05] <Randall> Others weren't.
[17:30:14] <Randall> I added some users... they added other users and so on...
[17:30:17] <Nick1> Randall Do you know that "Vlad" spreads your real life location/real name/address
details to everyone wishing this info?
[17:30:22] <Nick1> vlad aka Cyk
[17:30:36] <Randall> I know.
[17:30:45] <Randall> All CService has my personal information.
[17:30:46] <Nick1> this happent several months ago
[17:30:47] <Randall> Including opers, etc.
[17:30:55] <Nick1> this didn't made you simple stop ?
[17:31:07] <Randall> Nope.
[17:31:07] <Nick1> today or tomorrow I might see you on tv too, what for?
[17:31:19] <Randall> See me on TV?
[17:31:21] <Randall> Why?
[17:31:25] <Nick1> well if someone makes a complaint
[17:31:26] <Randall> I didn't do anything illegal. Smile
[17:31:26] <Nick1> or smth
[17:31:33] <Nick1> are you sure?
[17:31:40] <Randall> Yep.
[17:31:53] <Nick1> Randall, I am NOT the one to judge you.
[17:31:54] <Randall> I did NOT hack anything to get here.
[17:31:56] <Nick4> talk us through how you obtained access to * ?
[17:31:57] <Randall> What I did was...
[17:32:04] <Randall> Taking advantage of ppl weakness...
[17:32:09] <Randall> Convince them I'm someone else...
[17:32:14] <Nick3> Randall, um, excuse me, but isn't "hacking" into someone else's computer
illegal?
[17:32:24] <Randall> Nick3, I did NOT hack anyone.
[17:32:34] <Nick1> then how did you do that?
[17:32:43] <Randall> I convinced some admin on some ISP that I was the person owning the email
[17:32:43] <Nick2> He started telling that. Smile
[17:32:46] <Randall> He believed it
[17:32:53] <Nick6> Smile
[17:32:54] <Randall> And told me the password for the email
[17:32:57] <Nick3> You just exploited someone to get their password?
[17:33:05] <Randall> Someone had an account here with that email
[17:33:07] <Randall> So... that's it
[17:33:17] <Randall> All I did was TALK, Nick3.
[17:33:22] <Nick4> social engineering
[17:33:23] <Randall> Believe it or not, it's all I did to get it.
[17:33:35] <Randall> That's why I don't mind if they have my info.
[17:33:38] <Nick3> Yes, Nick4.
[17:33:39] <Nick4> Randall, have you read kevin mitnicks; the art of deception?
[17:33:40] <Randall> And they have it for more than 2 years.
[17:33:46] <Nick3> Exactly.
[17:33:46] <Randall> No, I haven't.
[17:33:55] <Nick3> Randall, I believe you.
[17:34:17] <Randall> A mind can be very weak... Smile
[17:34:18] <Nick3> He used "social engineering."
[17:34:27] <Nick4> Randall, you should check it out, mitnick used exactly the same methods to gain
access to his systems
[17:34:34] <Nick3> Which is what you are describing.
[17:34:37] <Randall> And it will only pass any encryption method... any security stuff...
[17:34:43] <Nick3> True.
[17:35:06] <Randall> If I can go to jail for that, then they should go right ahead.
[17:35:09] <Randall> They have all information about me.
[17:35:19] <Randall> Including the informations for my parents.
[17:35:30] <Randall> But if they can't, then they should think about it...
[17:35:33] <Nick4> Randall, your away message is asking for a CS official to contact you. Why?
[17:35:36] <Randall> It all started because of a town channel.
[17:35:43] <Randall> And I will NOT stop until they fix that mistake.
[17:36:00] <Nick4> ahhh
[17:36:02] <Nick1> the name of that town channel is our natal city ?
[17:36:12] <Nick3> Randall, I don't think getting that information is illegal. I think using it
may be.
[17:36:13] -Nick4- (private) native ?
[17:37:09] <Nick2> Well, I don't see anything illegal so far. Smile
[17:38:03] <Nick4> depending on local laws, you might be facing charges of fraud, and obtaining
access to systems illegally
[17:38:18] <Nick4> but it's hard to enforce.
[17:38:26] <Nick2> Another question, this is just an IRC, so why making so much dust about it, Randall
?
[17:38:30] <Nick4> since you havent caused any monetary damage
[17:38:34] <Randall> Nick2 Smile
[17:38:37] <Randall> Yes, it is just IRC...
[17:38:41] <Randall> But let me tell you something...
[17:38:59] <Nick4> there's no way to assign a $ value to how much damage is done... and if it's going
to be a civil matter, someone has to hire lawyers...
[17:38:59] <Randall> Does CService care about that fact that I almost got in a hospital because I
sweared on #piatraneamt?
[17:39:11] <Randall> The manager there gained some.... so called "power"
[17:39:15] <Randall> Because of his access
[17:39:28] <Randall> Since a lot of internet cafes in Romania use IRC... they will always need to be
able to join the "town name" channel
[17:39:33] <Randall> In other words...
[17:39:50] <Randall> The manager of a "town name" channel controls a large part of some internet
cafe's profit
[17:40:05] <Randall> Because if he bans an internet cafe, it won't get that many customers, would it?
[17:40:15] <Randall> Because they won't be able to join the town channel.
[17:40:27] <Randall> That's HOW the manager of a town name channel can use his access and get "power"
in that town...
[17:40:38] <Nick1> Randall: Did Cyk abused his IRC access powers that the gained?
[17:40:46] <Randall> Yes
[17:40:50] <Nick2> Can you explain the "I almost got in a hospital" part ?
[17:40:51] <Nick1> how?
[17:41:16] <Randall> Cyk may not abuse his access HERE but he did in real life... the problem is that
CService doesn't care about what happens in RL
[17:41:24] <Randall> Because of a damn access they gave to some don't use bad words here
[17:41:28] <Randall> I want them to CARE.
[17:41:32] <Randall> The hospital part...
[17:41:46] <Randall> Cyk came that day to my internet cafe with 4 more guys
[17:41:52] <Randall> And beat me for swearing on his channel
[17:41:59] <Randall> Cyk, as the channels manager
[17:42:02] <Randall> I went to the police
[17:42:08] <Randall> But I couldn't do anything.
[17:42:16] <Randall> Oh well... a few cops were also added to #piatraneamt Smile
[17:42:17] <Randall> By Cyk
[17:42:40] <Nick4> Generally, whenever there's a dispute between users on irc, they usually just ddos
each other. Why is this different?
[17:42:41] <Nick2> Is it really like that, isn't there someone who is NOT using IRC ?
[17:42:45] <Nick6> This is stupid.
[17:42:55] <Nick6> Things like that shouldn't happen.
[17:43:25] <Randall> Nick4
[17:43:28] <Randall> Why should I DDoS Cyk?
[17:43:34] <Randall> He still has X... lol
[17:43:35] <Nick1> Randall: Did he banned the Internet caffe where you used to work at making money
loss to it?
[17:43:36] <Nick3> Well, it is amazing that what happens on IRC can have such an influence on real
life issues.
[17:43:41] <Randall> He barely connects here...
[17:43:48] <Randall> He has other 400+ ops that do the dirty work for him
[17:43:55] <Randall> Yep
[17:44:00] <Randall> That's right, Nick1
[17:44:07] <Nick1> Randall: As notice, I am channel op there too.
[17:44:09] <Nick2> So, all you want to have is the channel ?
[17:44:10] <Randall> I had to look for proxies or create bouncers in the cafe
[17:44:11] <Nick4> Randall, another option would be to target users of the channel, so they fear to
go there
[17:44:14] <Randall> So ppl were able to join the channel
[17:44:18] <Nick1> but I didn't saw any abusive ban on internet caffes.
[17:44:23] <Randall> Nick2, I don't want to "have" the channel
[17:44:33] <Nick1> in fact they has a rules: no ban on internet caffes for more than one hour per
computer
[17:44:37] <Randall> I just want it purged or given away to someone else that won't do all the crap
that Cyk did.
[17:44:44] <Randall> Someone who wouldn't abuse it IRL.
[17:44:53] <Randall> Nick1
[17:44:57] <Randall> Cyk makes the rules... Wink
[17:45:02] <Randall> And also they won't apply to him
[17:45:08] <Nick6> Randall: aren't you still afraid of Cyk now?
[17:45:14] <Randall> No, Nick6.
[17:45:29] <Randall> In a few days anyway, I'll move to a different town in Romania
[17:45:34] <Randall> Got a better job there...
[17:45:45] <Nick1> ohh, a IRC issue makes you change your life?
[17:45:46] <Nick4> have you told anybody else your story?
[17:45:46] <Randall> Besides, he can't do anything to me right now...
[17:45:56] <Randall> I was easy to find working in an internet cafe
[17:45:58] <Randall> In a public place
[17:45:59] <Randall> Not anymore
[17:46:06] <Randall> Yes, Nick4
[17:46:10] <Randall> I told many admins this
[17:46:15] <Randall> 2 years ago even
[17:46:25] <Randall> Before I started to abuse anything
[17:46:30] <Nick4> i'd like to write an article about this particular incident, and put it up on
slashdot
[17:46:38] <Randall> They just said it's not CS's business
[17:47:25] <Nick4> i think it's fascinating how being the manager of a single channel has so much
power over actual businesses
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[17:47:41] <Randall> I don't know who are you guys but I still talk to anyone who wants to know WHY I
am doing this because I still hope that one day, it will be solved.
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[17:47:54] <Nick10> muhaha:)
[17:47:55] <Nick3> Over actual lives.
[17:47:59] <Nick1> Nick10 ?
[17:48:03] <Nick1> what's so funny ?
[17:48:09] <Nick10> everything:)
[17:48:12] <Nick4> Randall, what solutions do you think would be viable?
[17:48:22] <Quince> latest undernet news
[17:48:30] * Quince listens quietly.
[17:48:37] <Randall> The local/imediate solution would be to purge or give #piatraneamt to someone
else.
[17:48:53] <Nick1> Randall: Question is who ?
[17:48:55] <Nick4> medium/long term?
[17:48:55] <Nick6> Randall: do you really think CService would do that?
[17:48:56] <Nick1> a vote?
[17:48:56] <Randall> The permanent solution will be to purge and never allow channel registrations for
channels named after towns.
[17:48:58] <Nick1> another dispute?
[17:49:15] <Randall> I don't know, Nick6.
[17:49:29] * Parts: Nick10 (~Nick10@Nick10.users.undernet.org)
[17:49:31] <Randall> The truth is I just got tired of their promisses and all the other crap they told
me.
[17:49:58] <Randall> If I was such a big lamer as they consider me... I could have easily changed
Cyk's email today
[17:50:01] <Randall> Or purge #piatraneamt
[17:50:06] <Randall> But I want them to do it
[17:50:13] <Randall> Because I want them to understand first
[17:50:14] <Nick1> Randall do you think that such an mess on Undernet will make them change their
politics?
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[17:50:34] <Randall> Nick1, you want to know why I added so many accesses?
[17:50:53] <Nick6> Randall: honestly, I don't think CService will ever do it. Anyway, they deny X
was attacked.
[17:51:12] <Randall> TO PROVE THEM how MUCH romanians want a specific town channel... that's why so
many takeovers occured today...
[17:51:18] <Randall> If there will be no town name channels...
[17:51:35] <Randall> It will never get to this
[17:52:00] <Randall> A lot of takeovers occured on large town channels because some asshole wanted
that channel
[17:52:03] <Nick2> If there will be no town channel names, then there will be other names. So, they
will fight for those names. Well, what's the point ?
[17:52:07] <Randall> Today, I just gave them a "change" to do it
[17:52:12] <Randall> And that just proves my oppinion again
[17:52:15] <Nick10> chance*
[17:52:31] <Randall> Right Nick10 Smile
[17:52:34] <Nick1> Nick2 other names exists allready
[17:52:48] <Nick6> Randall: what if they refuse? What would you do then?
[17:52:55] <Nick10> Randall it will never happen, that channel will never be purged, X and all will be
up
[17:53:08] <Nick2> So, the problem isn't the *name*, the problem is the *manager*.
[17:53:09] <Randall> I hope so, Nick10.
[17:53:13] <Nick1> but for them being manager on a channel with same name of his own city is "a big
stuff"
[17:53:18] <Randall> Otherwise, it could also get boring for me. Smile
[17:53:18] <Nick1> as all his friends enters irc
[17:53:36] <Nick1> Randall don't you think that a channel still needs a manager?
[17:53:40] <Nick1> or someone to drive it?
[17:53:41] <Nick10> Anyways it was fun ha?Smile
[17:53:49] <Nick4> Randall, if you're moving to a different town, what difference does it make if
#piatraneamt remains registered to the same guy?
[17:53:49] * Nick10 having fun
[17:54:02] <Randall> I never forget, Nick4.
[17:54:03] <Nick4> after all, you're leaving Smile
[17:54:04] <Randall> NEVER.
[17:54:18] <Randall> There are like 2 or even 3 years since I started the abuse on #CService...
[17:54:41] <Randall> I wanted the same thing right from the start.
[17:55:02] <Nick10> You and afew others
[17:55:12] <Randall> Until I get a damn bullet in my head or get paralyzed in a hospital bed, I won't
stop.
[17:55:27] <Randall> I'm sorry if I dissapointed anyone here...
[17:55:29] <Nick1> Randall: but still, this is just IRC, why do you care so much ?
[17:55:44] <Randall> But it's just too much for me.
[17:55:46] <Nick2> Next time, set me maxlogins 3. Razz
[17:55:47] <Nick1> making a mess everywhere just because a guy who's by mistake a manager is a jerk
[17:55:57] <Nick6> lol
[17:56:13] <Randall> Nick1, you don't seem to understand that I didn't do any "mess" here.
[17:56:20] <Randall> I just gave some accesses out...
[17:56:29] <Randall> Everyone did what they wanted next...
[17:56:30] <Nick5> right.
[17:56:33] <Randall> And that's not my problem.
[17:56:34] <Nick3> He just made it possible for others to do it.
[17:56:57] <Nick1> Randall: what if they don't have any backup
[17:56:57] <Randall> Seems like this network turned in a more "get power" game...
[17:56:58] <Randall> Than funny, good time, chat...
[17:56:59] <Nick10> haha
[17:56:59] <Randall> Everyone here wants something...
[17:57:03] <Nick1> do you have any for them?
[17:57:04] <Randall> I felt like the "wishmaster" today...
[17:57:11] <Nick1> to fix the mistake just in case things are fixed?
[17:57:12] <Randall> Ppl msging me asking for channels and all that stuff
[17:57:23] <Nick6> Randall: what was the username of the CService admin you got the password for, if
you can tell us.
[17:57:35] <Randall> Yes, Nick1... I know a few accesses I gave out...
[17:57:44] <Randall> No, Nick6, I can't tell you that.
[17:57:47] <Randall> Sorry...
[17:57:48] <Nick6> Ok.
[17:57:55] <Nick1> Randall can your mistake be fixed by you if they don't have a recent backup ?
[17:58:02] <Nick1> that's an important question for me.
[17:58:07] <Nick4> Can you confirm the level of the username was 750?
[17:58:10] <Nick2> Randall: but that info exists anyway.
[17:58:18] <Nick2> Randall
[17:58:25] <Nick2> X is logging everything, so .. Smile
[17:58:27] <Nick1> let's ask step by step.
[17:58:28] <Randall> Yes, Nick1 but it will probably take up to 2-3 days.
[17:58:46] <Nick1> Randall do you have a backup of db in order to fix it?
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[17:58:49] <Randall> I'd have to contact everyone I gave access to and then have them contact everyone
they gave access to.
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[17:59:10] <Randall> Nope.
[17:59:14] <Randall> Only my logs, Nick1. Smile
[17:59:25] <Nick1> it means a lot of manual work
[17:59:26] <Nick2> Nick1: someone else has backups, official undernet person.
[17:59:28] <Nick2> That is not the problem.
[17:59:33] <Nick4> it's clear that no direct access to systems were obtained
[17:59:36] <Nick2> It's a matter of time.
[17:59:48] <Nick6> Well... is it hard to replace a db?
[17:59:57] <Nick6> And is it up to date?
[18:00:05] <Nick1> Nick6 if it's a recent one all is fine
[18:00:23] <Nick4> Nick6, how long is a piece of string Smile
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[18:00:34] <Nick5> Randall: You still have * access on a username?
[18:00:50] <Nick4> if i were isomer/kev/etc, i'd say 'screw you all, this can wait until i'm ready.'
[18:02:09] <Nick1> for me the chat is over.
End of #Randall-News buffer Sun Nov 13 18:02:25 2005

deci in concluzie nu vom avea X pt cateva zile
dati-va cu parerea

[Freezed]

Trebuia sa trezeasca cineva CService-ul la realitate si sa le arate ce se intampla in spatele cortinei. Pentru ca sincer lor li se rupe de useri, de ce se intampla pe canale si de servere care pe zi ce trebe pica tot mai mult de la flooduri. Daca ar fi baieti cu scaun la cap ar vorbi cu userii si ar incerca si ei sa faca sa fie bine, astfel nu ar mai fi atatia lamerii care se razbuna. Cea mai buna tactica ar fi sa ii "atace" (abordeze) mai frumos pe useri si sa schimbe putin regulile astea destul de drastice. Parerea mea.

[matey]

Haideti mah scuzati de expresie ,da io imi bag p**a in CService cu tot cu X`u lor ! Dai dreq ca ii doare-n c*r pana si de IrcOpi .Au ajuns sa dea unui necunoscut userul si parola !Mai bine se infiinteaza alt serviciu cu oameni mult mai competenti. Propun sa se faca unul in care sa fie alesi cate 336 de oameni buni la asta la inceputu fiecarui an si fiecare "face de serviciu " o zi !!!

[AdrianK]

Acolo se vorbea despre o carte a lui mitnik social engeneering sau cum se mai scrie, ms universlaia ca miai dato so citesc macar shtiu ce au invedere :P.

Randall e Irc Terorist dupa parerea mea dar cservice is just a bunch o lame cops without any guns or long range weapons. El ar putea sa intre in trouble pentru violarea undernetului si e simplu sal dai in judecata (ashai aqwzsx? shtii despre ce vorbesc). Dupa mine cservice ar trebui simplu sa schimbe manager si sal lase pe randall sa traeasca linishtit .

Lol niciodata nu mam gindit sa fac ce el a facut. LOL sa dus la un ISP ca sa afle un email borat dealui undernet. Heh... obsedat

[UltraS99]

Aha aja am auzit si yo ca o fura user la un ircop cu acces 700 * si si-o dat lui acc de 699 si o facut take jmeker omu` dc nu avea ce face sa gandit sa se distreze si el http://www.lariscjb.go.ro/takeuri.txt

[`KallaS`]

Dap ,dar sa vedeti , k cik mai are resurse . Vrea sa dea atacu` din nou . Se cam alege usor usor prafu de undernet .

PEACE !!

[arcade]

krek pan la urma o sa ajungem sa mutam botlending si toate canalele pe quakenet

[UltraS99]

Eh asta e o sa ajungem pe quakenet ce sa facem

[AdrianK]

Aha si daca ne ducem pe quacknet e tot din nou nu? alte canale alti useri alti bots toti in checking?

[arcade]

cam asa ceva